Should we pray in Coptic?
Facebook, useful or harmful?
Is a Three month salary of a Man’s salary too much for an Engagement Ring?
Here it goes...
1) I think its important to pray in Coptic. We should embrace our past and continue to remember our heritage. If we stop praying in Coptic, that will be the end of the language of our forefathers. Sad I think.
2) Like anything it can be useful and harmful. We should look at how much we use it and what we are using it to do. It can be useful and harmful to both our spiritual lives and our social lives. Some people these days cannot even hold a conversation in person.
3) WAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY too much
2) Just a point about beloved Facebook. We must remember also that it is easy to get sucked into social media especially when it follows us around all day on our phones barely getting a minute to myself. So if I know I have an issue with easily going overboard, even though moderate use is fine, perhaps a wiser choice may be to remove it completely?
3) Isn't this completely personal and individually based? You cant make guidelines like this.
Dear Pierre I must say you did a fine job of communicating your thoughts on these important matters. I also want to thank you for being the first person to share your comments about these questions on this fine website - and for that you ought to be applauded (clap, clap, clap).
Ok, not that I am deserving to speak after such a fine individual as Pierre but for sake of discussion allow me to share some thoughts.
(1) I personally am a fan of the Coptic language. It's a part of our heritage - in fact I believe it was one of the key languages in which the Gospel was spread Throughout
our beloved land of Egypt. One can also imagine that the Egyptian martyrs in the earlier centuries would have been singing Coptic hymns before their death. no doubt about it's a special language. That being said,I do also believe it is important that we and others who visit our church understand what we are praying. For this reason I would be very welcoming of a translation in both the English and Arabic language on the projector screen when the Coptic language is being used to pray in the church. Some wise words I once received attributed to Fr. Alexander Schmemann, reads as follows:
' The true Orthodox way of thought has always been historical, has always included the past, but has never been enslaved by it... For the strength of the church is not in the past, present or future but in Christ '
I think as long as we focus on Christ we can pray in English, Arabic and Coptic.
(2) I think Pierre communicated well, when he stated, and i quote:
" Like anything it can be useful and harmful. We should look at how much we use it and what we are using it to do. It can be useful and harmful to both our spiritual lives and our social lives." (Pierre Wassef 29/08/13)
(3) I think it's a personal matter more than a public matter
- some may be able and want to spend that much and for others it may be out of their means. At the end of the day let us be content for
we have the greatest treasure, which the world will never be able to offer us - God in us.
Thanks all for your great points. 1) Metropolitan Anthony Bloom affirms that the most important thing in prayer is that we understand and fully mean what we utter so we allow a solid communication channel for our Spirit to make intersessions for us (Rom 8:26) be it in Coptic or any other language. However I must add that chanting in Coptic sounds better than any language I've heard and many non copts agree when they hear our beautiful praises, these days most coptic texts have english translation beside to allow a novice reader as myself the opportunity to understand. 2) I dont have anything to add to above 3) Agreed that its personal etc but it would be nice to hear a female opinion on the matter?
Kiro....the Lord has answered your prayers... I humbly accept your invitation :) in response to question 3...
lets have a quick read of Genesis 29:20, and I quote....
"So Jacob served seven years for Rachel, and they seemed only a few days to him because of the love he had for her"
and you men are complaining about three months pay?!... a real man (such as Jacob) slaved away for 7 years, only to have been deceived and wedded to Leah, and slaved away for a further 7 years for the woman he loved!!!
oh where have the Jacobs gone?!?!
By the way guys, the ring comment was just meant to try and get the girls worked up. Like u fine ppl said, each person is entitled to do what they feel is right. :)
But tomorrow night il still argue it's a lot
thanks for that, you're going to need a different passage to biblically justify a 3 month salary for the ring though. Its quite clear Jacob did what he did in pursuit of Rachel's fellowship in matrimony not for her apparel. Frankly this passage depicts something any man would be happy to do for his right woman.
Hello all & good morning to you...
Pierre Magar checking in on the conversation.
1./ Should we pray in Coptic?
Absolutely. We are the COPTS and this is our language. For too long, we have had external forces working on us over the centuries to "dilute" who we are; e.g. the Arabs after the invasion made Arabic the language of the land; on a different front, English is the language for business. We have been conditioned to accept these norms and live by them. They have succeeded, to a great extent, in making us forget / water down / dilute our true identity.
WE ARE THE COPTS OF EGYPT, PHAROAHS THE SONS OF PHAROAHS.
Everything we do, we do with all our might and heart. Why is it when it comes to prayer that we have to be any different? Also as others mentioned earlier, the Coptic tune is for the Coptic language. I don't know if anyone noticed, but that tune fits the coptic words perfectly. Any other language (English or Arabic) sound "off" when we try to sing it in the Coptic tune.
2./ Facebook. Could go either way. However, it is very easy to get sucked into it and yes, it does become a problem when people cannot actually hold a decent face-to-face conversation.
3./ 3-months' salary for a ring...
Guys, really? And the story about Jacob, really? I think we are missing the whole point here. And yes I agree that it is a purely personal thing. However, let me share a little thing with you...
Life between any two looking at getting married could only be explained as follows... "They love each other to the point that they are going to pledge the rest of their lives to each other." Also, each side would have done their "research" and "testing" and understood how the other party thinks and found that it is congruent with their way of thinking. Hence each partner can see that they can spend the rest of life with the other partner as they are.
Now comes the thing about the ring... It is merely a gesture of how much he loves her. We call it a "Shabka".
Guys: the shabka chould be the most expensive thing you could AFFORD, so don't be stingy and try to save money. You are trying to tell her how much she means to you and sweep her off her feet (hopefully for good). Don't just look at the amount of money you're spending, look at the one whose heart you are trying to win over. Get her the nicest thing you can according to her dreams (which you should know by now) and your creativity and taste.
Girls: if you really love him and he is the one for you, be happy with whatever he gets you. If he is really the right guy, you shouldn't even expect anything. And definitely don't make fun of him or even show disappointment. It is the most that he can AFFORD.
Ok now for both genders... If you look at how much you're spending or you look at how much he's spending then that is indicative of two things...
A./ Guys, you are stingy and counting every penny. DON'T. If she is the right person, then money should not be an issue. STOP BEING UNCLE SCROUGE.
B./ Girls, you are really marrying him for the money and you don't really love him. DON'T. If he is the right person, then this should have been covered off very early on. STOP BEING A GOLD DIGGER. He is trying to build his life and now yours.
If money is an issue now, it will continue to be for the rest of your lives. DON'T LET IT.
I wonder what Tobit paid for Sarah? or Joseph paid for Mary? or Boaz for Ruth? You Know these great women of the Bible? I don't think the Bible mentions what their husbands bought for them? I wonder if that has a meaning? Just a thought....